CRA Executive Director Chris Hattingh is joined by the CEO of the Institute of Race Relations (IRR), Dr John Endres unpack the recent National Convention of the National Dialogue, the fallout, developments within the ANC, and South Africa’s access to the global SWIFT payment system. Dr Endres and Mr Hattingh also discuss the importance of pragmatic engagement with South Africa's trade partners as well as the barriers to and importance of economic growth to effectively address South Africa's many issues.